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Episode 373; Speed Racer Special Part 1
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Discuss Episode 373 Infinity Challenge <Speed Racer> Special - "Racing In Anger"

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▪ Infinity Challenge <Speed Racer> Special - "Racing In Anger" ▪
Infinity Challenge has decided to participate in the car racing event being held in May.
Their first sprints on their path to becoming a true speed racer
Infinity Challenge <Speed Racer> Special

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# Awaken your hidden race instincts !

We hold a "I hope you come early" early in the morning at Injae in the Gangwon Province.
Doesn't look at all like a celebrity! The swollen bare faces that raises questions about whether they purposely put make up on to look like this.
The real morning fashion will be revealed!

The members get into the seat next to their mentor racers and experience the speed of racing for themselves.
"Growl~" x2 the loud noises sounds like someone screaming in anger and the members tense up in anxiousness.
They crawl out of the car due to the unbelievable speed and there is even someone suffering motion sickness.
We also see the birth of the "Zero Gravity" dance, once that ignores the rules of speed and g-forces.
The member's ferocious entrance into the world of racing shall be revealed!

The members then begin various training session to become true racers.
They begin to train about how to escape from their seats in the case of an accident.
This might be a simple training session to racers but it's a terrifying challenge for the members.
The fat collectors however are stuck firmly in their seats and struggle to get out of their seats.

They have a practice session to improve their driving skills before entering the circuit.
S-curve, O track, Figure of Eight, they need to go through all these obstacles correctly and stop at the finish.
Jun Ha, being an ex-celebrity manager, sets an impressive time and we also have a wide variety of racers as well.
Who is the best and worst drivers as picked by the mentor drivers?

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# The amazing birth of racers

The members finally take a lap around the circuit.
First off however, they take a hidden talent test with a 1 Vs 1 race.

Myung Soo is showing particular interest in this challenge.
He shall show you the greedy racing tactics, one that doesn't allow for any over takes.
There is also a member that shows off some impressive techniques that they've yet to learn along with some fantastic cornering skills.
Who is the member that destroys Myung Soo and amazes the mentor drivers?

The top two lap times from the 1 Vs 1 race are given the opportunity to try out the master's class vehicles.
The safe style that sticks to a textbook style of driving Vs The speed racer that just goes for power~
There is even a scary event where the car suddenly spins on the circuit at high speed.
The Infinity Challenge member's car racing challenge.
Will they successfully take their first steps?

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What happened to HyungDon after the test lap? Did he get sick or something?
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No idea what happened to Hyung Don or even Gil for certain parts of this episode. They just sort of disappeared.

In any case, went and watched the episode again. Editing still annoys me a bit but watching it in parts, I can avoid the first 30 minutes and watch the later half, which seem to be much better.

So far thou, it seems like the 3 best drivers are Jae Suk, Jun Ha and surprisingly Hyung Don. Surprisingly as well, I think Jun Ha is actually the best of the lot and seems to be much smoother driver than Jae Suk. Jae Suk seems to be naturally aggressive behind the wheel but he's sometimes a bit too aggressive in the corner entry. He wasn't punished for that in the slower car but the moment he got in the faster, twitchier vehicle he was immediately caught out by it.

Hyung Don also seems to be a fairly calm driver but he seems to be fairly good at knowing the right speed to enter corners. He's at a disadvantage at the moment because he had to drive the automatic but once he learns how to drive a manual, I think his times will be competitive with at least the top two.

The bottom 4 are roughly the same. Nothing much to separate them to be honest. Park Myung Soo seems to be extremely eager but he's just all over the place and doesn't seem to know how to follow the race line. That's something he will have to learn over time.

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Having only seen the raw and not knowing much about racing, I might have to agree with your evaluation. I also feel though that YJS is under pressure to do well since he came off as the top during F1.

Although you said PMS was a not so great driver, in the preview it seemed he was paired with JJH and YJS while JHD was paired with NHC and HaHa (did I miss Gil in the preview?). Everyone seems to be tentatively stepping around PMS so that his ego isn't hurt. In a way, I feel bad for him because even though I'm ignorant about racing even I know he's not on the same level as the top 3.

But they haven't learned much yet though and were just driving like how they knew. During the training, things might change and skills may develop.

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I really enjoyed the F1 special years ago.

I've also only seen the raw version of this episode, but I'm actually glad that YJS lost control a few times with the faster car. To me that indicates that's he pushing his limits as a driver, which I think is necessary to get better, faster. But we'll see what happens.

I was also annoyed that PMS drove the faster car. Like Gil said (I think), there were several people ahead of him in the ranking, and they should have gotten to drive first.
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love this ep so much..JHD didn't talk much after he came back from disappearance
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I really enjoyed the F1 special years ago.

I've also only seen the raw version of this episode, but I'm actually glad that YJS lost control a few times with the faster car. To me that indicates that's he pushing his limits as a driver, which I think is necessary to get better, faster. But we'll see what happens.

I was also annoyed that PMS drove the faster car. Like Gil said (I think), there were several people ahead of him in the ranking, and they should have gotten to drive first.
Myself being a yjs fan who hopes he'll do well, that's a great and positive way of thinking that I should emulate.

PMS was given an extra chance to redo the first race and there must have been a reason. I believe the other guys NHC HaHa and Gil would have improved their times too if given another chance.

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The reason why JHD, Gil, NHC and Haha were separated in the preview is easy to explain. They 4 of them don't know how to drive a manual car, which is a must since all the race cars will be manual only (The auto cars they used for this episode was just for practice)

So next week is about those guys learning how to drive a manual car, irrespective of lap times.

Speaking of lap times, according to the preview, Myung Soo actually gets within 2~3 seconds of Jun Ha's lap time during that episode (2:15 to 2:13 I think?) If I remember correctly, Jae Suk then sets a 2:09. So their times are gradually coming closer and closer together.
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@lb, Thanks for the clarification! That makes sense.

I think they revealed too much in the preview, but since it's already revealed, I kinda bet (or hope) there's something more interesting and intense at the end of the episode. Otherwise, next week's episode would've already been spoiled. Like, it'd be mind-blowing if PMS actually catches up to them. Was it already decided this week who would do what race? Or would that be decided at the end of the training?

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Who does what in terms of classes is supposed to be decided upon after the training from what I know. Yoo Jae Suk is pretty much guaranteed for the higher class to be honest. It's a matter of who from Jun Ha, Hyung Don and Myung Soo gets the other seat
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Why do you think YJS would be guaranteed? I thought you acknowledged that JJH was a better driver? Probably only because he's the leader of IC? Well, my sister said offhandedly when we were talking that YJS seems like a fast learner.

I actually like what I see from PMS, YJS, and a little bit from JJH in terms of motivation I mean. When racing, they seem pumped up to do good. The other IC members I think would be happy to race in the amateur one. Sadly, all their excitement to be racing from the F1 special seems to be missing from what I see in this episode. Or it might have been cut out. IMO, JHD would rather opt out unless he becomes really good and they convince him.

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Jung Jun Ha seems to be the naturally better driver but I think with a bit of training, Yoo Jae Suk's more aggressive style will probably put down much faster times AS LONG AS he doesn't spin or crash (Which with his style is far more likely than either Hyung Don or Jun Ha).

To be honest with Hyung Don, he has this urge to always do well no matter the special. He doesn't seem to like being the "bad" one out of the lot. I still think he has potential thou, he doesn't have the aggressiveness of JS or PMS but he seems to be quick learner and drives like a textbook driver would. Not the fastest but if he's consistent enough with his lap times, he could easily see himself near the front after 20ish laps. In racing it's more about consistent times than just outright speed. Getting the fastest lap times for the first half of the race and then tanking it later isn't a very effective racing strategy :olddays:

I think the lack of excitement is more of an editing error. The members definitely seemed to have had some practice prior to this recording or it's just carried over from the F1 special because they hardly needed to be explained about how to enter the course, race line concept, overtaking etc. In this case, the member's excitement will be somewhat tempered by the fact that they have some experience with this.
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@lb, most of us will probably be depending on you a lot during this special since we don't know much about racing. Tbh, I didn't even notice anything about the different styles of drivers they were until you pointed it out. About the translated episode summary "The safe style that sticks to a textbook style of driving Vs The speed racer that just goes for power~" who were they referring to? I initially thought JHD as the safe style vs PMS who seems to be recklessly doing anything to cut down his time, but my impression after this discussion is that YJS the aggressive type is the one who went for power (like, whoa! I didn't even think that) and JJH (who I already noticed was kind of awesome too) is the safe driver. Or, in your opinion from this episode before they get into training, what type of drivers do the IC members seem to be?

Yea, JHD always tend to do well (there's still that old joke about him being good at everything but making people laugh), but I guess I got that impression that he didn't seem so eager because he went missing a few times and he seemed "quiet" or even sick when he was there and/or driving. HaHa didn't get the chance to experience F1 or at least get close to experiencing it and learning all the quirks like at least Gil, JJH, and JHD did and so I thought he appeared overly cautious when he drove behind YJS during the first race.
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Park Myung Soo has qualities for a good driver . I guess he's a good one. I saw this episode and caugh my attention when he drove in polygon( i don't know which is the name of that in english but in my country it named polygon -before the race when he had to bypass the cones).
The details are good , you can realize who tends to be a good driver. They positioned very well the cameras
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That line could describe several drivers. Jun ha and Hyung Don both fall within the safe style while Jae Suk and Myung Soo fall within the aggressive style.

Trying to describe what Gil, Hong Chul, Haha is a bit harder. Gil actually did beat PMS in lap times but nothing besides that stood out. I think we can get a better idea of where they sit in the driver style criteria in the next episode.

In regards to Haha thou, I don't think he was being especially cautious or anything. I think it just looked like that because of how far ahead Yoo Jae Suk was and just the overall difference in driving skills between the two. I suspect he's roughly in line with Hong Chul (Can't check the episode atm but I think their lap times were pretty similar as well)

As for Park Myung Soo when he was doing the slalom (The weaving between the cones). Compared to Jun Ha and Jae Suk, he takes massive arcs through the cones and seems to have a hard time determining the distance between the car and the cones. Because he can't judge the distances, he's taking these large sweeping arcs, which means he's doing large steering inputs and thus not as fast as someone like Jae Suk who takes shorter arcs through the corners and has much cleaner, shorter steering inputs.

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i know nothing about this racing thing..thank you LB with your explanation i can understand little bit of it..all i know is, i really enjoyed this ep
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YJS, JJH, PMS are more experienced in driving than HaHa, because they are a little older than he, but i think Haha driving style will be okay. The level of experience of driving in my opinion is YJS,JJH, PMS - high experience; JHD, Gil - medium experience and NHC, Haha - a little bit below medium. I considered age because i don't know the number of hours driven by them, or how much they drove in the past. Maybe some of them drove less than others.
I can't wait the next episode.
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To be honest thou, age usually has nothing to do with driving experience especially when you're on a race track, on the contrary, the older you are, the less concentrated you get and you tend to build up mistakes over the course of a few laps. Driving normally isn't really comparable to driving on a race track so all that real-life experience isn't as useful as you imagine it to be.

From what I've seen of the first episode and from memory of the F1 special, the driver rating is more along the lines of YJS = JJH > JHD > PMS > Gil > Haha = NHC.
I suspect by the end of next episode the rankings will be closer to YJS = JJH = JHD = PMS > Gil = Haha = NHC, but even then I think the gap between the top driver and the bottom driver will be less than 15 seconds on the circuit shown during this episode
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One of the funny moment in this episode is when PMS tells JJH that his wife was disappointed because she didn't get invited by JJH's wife to IC Members' wives gathering at JJH's house. JJH defend his wife, saying that the gathering was only for those who have a baby children. This further confirmed by YJS who said that his wife (who doesn't have a baby child) is also not invited. It's always nice to watch Ha & Soo bicker with each other.

It's also nice to know that not only the members, but their family is also getting along together. Even when someday IC goes off air, i hope the members will always remain friends.

Overall, it's a nice episode to kick-off Speed Racer Special. I'm highly anticipating this particular long-term project.
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^ :D Yea that was funny. I wonder how he even knew about it. But I found it funnier that PMS seemed appeased by the fact that YJS's wife wasn't there too. I love when they talk about their families and wives. Sadly, that usually leaves NHC and Gil the odd one out.

Also when they were timed to see how fast they could escape from the car, JS put his leg against the door and stopped PMS from getting out.

The race between YJS and JJH I couldn't understand why YJS's final lap time was shorter than JJH's when he started ahead but fell back due to skidding and returned behind. Logically, shouldn't his lap time be more than Jun Ha's? Idk, just can't really wrap my head around it. Worse, I couldn't really tell who was driving in which car when the camera shot the cars from above, unless the car skidded which I assumed was JS. :/

OT a little bit, JJH looked really good in this episode. I wasn't even looking for it, but then during one scene all of a sudden I noticed 'Whoa! Jun Ha's good looking!' I'm glad he's gaining a bit of weight. This is probably the best he's looked so far...

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It is a difference of perception between us and a "cultural difference". You're right, normal driving doesn't compare with the race driving. In my country , young people (over 18 years) tends to be more rebel, to press more pedal speed, to show they have license, things like this .Not all young people but some of them. And if they have an accident or a difficult situations they don't know what to do. While people with many years of driving in back, they succeed very well in such situations, they know what to do and avoid a serious situation.
True that people over the age of 60 do not have the same power of reaction as a young man. Anyway, I have more trust in old people (35-55 years old) than young people, when it is about driving.
I can also give you and example from my country, it was a plane crash, where the age and experience were the most important thing. The pilot saved 5 life, but he died unfortunately. Also in difficult car situations, the most important is the experience of the driver.
There are many differences from country to country, from man to man, from driver to driver and so on
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^ :D Yea that was funny. I wonder how he even knew about it. But I found it funnier that PMS seemed appeased by the fact that YJS's wife wasn't there too. I love when they talk about their families and wives. Sadly, that usually leaves NHC and Gil the odd one out.

Also when they were timed to see how fast they could escape from the car, JS put his leg against the door and stopped PMS from getting out.

The race between YJS and JJH I couldn't understand why YJS's final lap time was shorter than JJH's when he started ahead but fell back due to skidding and returned behind. Logically, shouldn't his lap time be more than Jun Ha's? Idk, just can't really wrap my head around it. Worse, I couldn't really tell who was driving in which car when the camera shot the cars from above, unless the car skidded which I assumed was JS. :/

OT a little bit, JJH looked really good in this episode. I wasn't even looking for it, but then during one scene all of a sudden I noticed 'Whoa! Jun Ha's good looking!' I'm glad he's gaining a bit of weight. This is probably the best he's looked so far...
If i'm not wrong, YJS's spin was happened when they were doing their warm-up lap/out lap (they start from pit area and haven't cross a start line once), at this point their lap weren't timed yet. During their proper lap/flying lap/hot lap (a full lap from start line back to start line), YJS did it perfectly (he didn't spin) hence the better lap time.

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During qualifying session or time attack: Generally, a driver will leave the pits and drive around the track in order to get to the start/finish line (the out-lap). Having crossed the line, they will attempt to achieve the quickest time around the circuit that they can in one or more laps (the flying lap or hot lap). This is the lap time which is used in calculating grid position. Finally, the driver will continue back around the track and re-enter the pit-lane (the in-lap).
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The race between YJS and JJH I couldn't understand why YJS's final lap time was shorter than JJH's when he started ahead but fell back due to skidding and returned behind. Logically, shouldn't his lap time be more than Jun Ha's? Idk, just can't really wrap my head around it. Worse, I couldn't really tell who was driving in which car when the camera shot the cars from above, unless the car skidded which I assumed was JS. :/
Yeah pretty much what Follower of the Yoo said. The first lap in which JS spun and such was on his practice lap, an untimed lap used for practice and for warming up his tyres. Their timers only begin once they go through the starting line again. So as long as Jae Suk didn't spin or crash during his actual lap then his lap time is unaffected
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Hi, all. I was curious why HaHa didn't do the first course, and my search led me here for the answer. It's great that there's this fan club! I love this show (along with Running Man) and have so few people to talk to about it... :)
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This is late, but I just watched it so might as well share some thoughts as well

- There was a lot of messy editing (disappearing members, random 'come early' clock at intro, results shown out of order in graphics etc) but overall the episode was pretty nicely cut in terms of keeping it from being repetitive. I'm assuming the editing team was just overwhelmed by the volume of footage they had to deal with, since there was a lot of solo footage and so on. The graphics team did a nice job too this ep.

- Regarding driver skills, I'm no expert but contrary to LB's assessment of YJS, i felt YJS was actually a bit better BECAUSE he wasn't afraid to push the more powerful car in order to discover its limits. I have a feeling he'll make the corrections and come out as the best of the lot in the end.

- Hyungdon was the biggest surprise, if he can come to grips with the stick he might be able to do something with this project. He seemed to have the best natural instinct for the 'lines' and was nice and controlled.

- Poor Myungsoo...his driving fundamentals actually don't seem to be that bad, but he just can't seem to memorize the track/lines at all. He might be one that finally 'gets' it after 5-6 runs but I'm not so sure...

- It's good to see Jun Ha becoming more of his usual self in the past few eps (in personality terms, not appearance-wise)
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- Poor Myungsoo...his driving fundamentals actually don't seem to be that bad, but he just can't seem to memorize the track/lines at all. He might be one that finally 'gets' it after 5-6 runs but I'm not so sure...
This reminds me of Shall We Dance special. The instructor said PMS was the fastest learner, yet he always forgot the routine so every practice was like the first time. He might learn the track and record line, but it'll probably take a while and longer than the rest.

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